[linux] Rally art. 13

[Gerard Bekhuis]

Am 24.03.19 um 10:42 schrieb Geert Stappers:
> Hoi,
>
> Rally heeft ook de betekenis van bijeenkomst.  En E.U. artikel 13 gaat
> ons bijten.
>
> Ik heb gelezen dat er in Duitsland bijeenkomsten gaan komen
> om Europese Unie artikel 13 anders te krijgen dan nu voorgesteld[1].
>
> Van welke bijeenkomst heb jij weet en naar welke ga jij toe?
>
> Wat is er in Nederland?
>
>
>
> Groeten
> Geert Stappers
>
> P.S.
> Doe eventueel ook iets met  https://saveyourinternet.eu/nl/
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded message -----
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> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 09:53:58 +0100
> From: Geert Stappers
> To: debian-devel op lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Is screenshots.debian.net at risk?
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:13:37PM +0100, Christoph Haas wrote:
>> Fellow devs,
>>
>> bear with me if the topic of the upcoming european copyright law (aka
>> §13) has been discussed in other mailing lists. As being responsible for
>> screenshots.debian.net I honestly am a bit worried about the
>> implications. As usual??? IANAL.
>>
>> Management summary: screenshots.debian.net is a web site that I
>> developed many many years ago and which is since then providing
>> user-generated screenshots for applications we manage in Debian.
>> Everyone can upload screenshots which are then moderated by pabs and me
>> before being published. We try to take care that screenshots of non-free
>> packages are not published to avoid copyright issues. And we claim to
>> publish screenshots under the same license as the software itself is
>> published. This has been the consensus after discussions on this list
>> ~10 years ago. Screenshots can be browsed and searched at
>> https://screenshots.debian.net/ and are also directly linked to from a
>> lot of web sites like packages.debian.net or packages.ubuntu.com. The
>> site currently provides 8500 screenshots, has a pretty good uptime and
>> according to the web server stats gets a good amount of requests.
>>
>> I am not only bringing this topic up because there will be a large
>> amount of rallies today (at least in Germany) and the topic is very hot.
>> The main reason is that I am working on an updated version of the web
>> site that will have a revised moderation workflow. pabs suggested that
>> we should allow all DDs to freely upload screenshots. That is already
>> implemented in the upcoming version and will be handled by our valued
>> sso.debian.net client certificates. That of course would mean that DDs
>> have to take care of copyright problems when uploading stuff.
>>
>> A further idea of me is to allow everyone to use SSO providers like
>> Launchpad, Stackexchange, Google, Amazon and Github. I was considering a
>> system where users would have to upload a certain number of "good
>> screenshots" before being allowed to upload freely. I hoped to attract
>> more people to upload screenshots without the hassle and delay of going
>> through moderation. pabs and I discussed whether it's worth doing that.
>> Will there really be so much more user content that it's worth allowing
>> that?
>>
>> Most of us are not lawyers so it may be hard to dig out the ultimate
>> truth. But I am personally worried because the server is run under my
>> name and I would not like to get into personal trouble while running a
>> platform that is providing user-generated content. Because that's what
>> all the EU law fuss is currently about.
>>
>> I would welcome your thoughts on that. Thanks.
> I'm in a simular situation. I do provide servers with wikis to local
> user groups. Every person smart enough to register an account upload
> whatever they please.
>
> Do I go implement "filters"?    No.
>
> Do I go shutdown the various wikis?    No.
>
> Do I think that "EU article 13" will harm the libre Internet?   Yes
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> Groeten
> Geert Stappers
Hallo,

de laatste grote bijeenkomst was gisteren, a.s. dinsdag schijnt de
definitieve beslissing in de EU te vallen.
Groetjes Gerard Bekhuis