[linux] Rally art. 13

[Geert Stappers]

Hoi,

Rally heeft ook de betekenis van bijeenkomst.  En E.U. artikel 13 gaat
ons bijten.

Ik heb gelezen dat er in Duitsland bijeenkomsten gaan komen
om Europese Unie artikel 13 anders te krijgen dan nu voorgesteld[1].

Van welke bijeenkomst heb jij weet en naar welke ga jij toe?

Wat is er in Nederland?



Groeten
Geert Stappers

P.S.
Doe eventueel ook iets met  https://saveyourinternet.eu/nl/



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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 09:53:58 +0100
From: Geert Stappers
To: debian-devel op lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Is screenshots.debian.net at risk?

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 12:13:37PM +0100, Christoph Haas wrote:
> Fellow devs,
> 
> bear with me if the topic of the upcoming european copyright law (aka
> §13) has been discussed in other mailing lists. As being responsible for
> screenshots.debian.net I honestly am a bit worried about the
> implications. As usual??? IANAL.
> 
> Management summary: screenshots.debian.net is a web site that I
> developed many many years ago and which is since then providing
> user-generated screenshots for applications we manage in Debian.
> Everyone can upload screenshots which are then moderated by pabs and me
> before being published. We try to take care that screenshots of non-free
> packages are not published to avoid copyright issues. And we claim to
> publish screenshots under the same license as the software itself is
> published. This has been the consensus after discussions on this list
> ~10 years ago. Screenshots can be browsed and searched at
> https://screenshots.debian.net/ and are also directly linked to from a
> lot of web sites like packages.debian.net or packages.ubuntu.com. The
> site currently provides 8500 screenshots, has a pretty good uptime and
> according to the web server stats gets a good amount of requests.
> 
> I am not only bringing this topic up because there will be a large
> amount of rallies today (at least in Germany) and the topic is very hot.
> The main reason is that I am working on an updated version of the web
> site that will have a revised moderation workflow. pabs suggested that
> we should allow all DDs to freely upload screenshots. That is already
> implemented in the upcoming version and will be handled by our valued
> sso.debian.net client certificates. That of course would mean that DDs
> have to take care of copyright problems when uploading stuff.
> 
> A further idea of me is to allow everyone to use SSO providers like
> Launchpad, Stackexchange, Google, Amazon and Github. I was considering a
> system where users would have to upload a certain number of "good
> screenshots" before being allowed to upload freely. I hoped to attract
> more people to upload screenshots without the hassle and delay of going
> through moderation. pabs and I discussed whether it's worth doing that.
> Will there really be so much more user content that it's worth allowing
> that?
> 
> Most of us are not lawyers so it may be hard to dig out the ultimate
> truth. But I am personally worried because the server is run under my
> name and I would not like to get into personal trouble while running a
> platform that is providing user-generated content. Because that's what
> all the EU law fuss is currently about.
> 
> I would welcome your thoughts on that. Thanks.

I'm in a simular situation. I do provide servers with wikis to local
user groups. Every person smart enough to register an account upload
whatever they please.

Do I go implement "filters"?    No.

Do I go shutdown the various wikis?    No.

Do I think that "EU article 13" will harm the libre Internet?   Yes




Groeten
Geert Stappers
-- 
Leven en laten leven



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[1]
Hoe een wetsvoorstel precies gaat is niet belangrijk.

Ga er vanuit dat iemand het een goed voorstel heeft.
Wat ie er goed aan vindt, zal vertelt worden vanuit eigen belang.